AC Transcripts:

Thank you, Joe.
Do you experience ‘fear’ in your life amid Research though?
 
No - other than for those that do not understand. In my heart it is [by analogy, like going in for an Operation which you know all the facts about prior to agreeing to. And, the concept he is conveying too, is as of how a human volunteer in modern times – albeit being paid to do so – will submit themselves willingly to be included in medical projects].
 
Okay. Thank you, Joe.
Why is it then, if campaigners view photographs of animals in research labs – they can so often appear so awful for the animal – what can you tell me about ‘suffering’ in your life amid Research?
 
[In response to this, the concept is conveyed of how, if a person ever has to undergo a medical injection, or physical examination of delicate parts – of how they would not sit with a big smile upon their face at the same time. And that, due to the individuals mental concentration on any such procedure at such a time; holding focus on what-is-going-on – even if no pain is present – their resultant facial expression, is so often then one of supposed ‘un-smiling’ repose; un-ease, furrowed brow, a sense of ‘bracing oneself & yes, even discomfort towards whatever is going on- & this may then be caught on camera.
With this too is conveyed the reasoning that campaigners pictures aim to portray any experiments as the worst case scenarios in order to gain support for the cause. By analogy, like Paparazzi doing their best to catch a celebrity in the most shockingly imaged photo for maximum Press impact].
 
Okay. Thank you, Joe. Though what can you tell me regarding what is classed as ‘suffering’ for research?
 
Yes, Jane. It is. I agree – yet too, like humans, some animals make more vocal noise – fuss- on invasive procedures than others. It is ‘un-natural’ to ones habitat (traditional environment) there is no doubt of that - yet too... [by analogy, why do humans sit for hours on end in concrete tower blocks/sky scrapers ‘confined’ to machines, metal cars, to noise, to junk food, tolerate less quality foods – when All they most desire is peace, quiet, their home, green grass underfoot to walk amongst, fresh pure food - & so on. Don’t humans too, incarcerate themselves so often in surroundings which result in stress, pacing, nail biting, mental anxiety & so on. Yet, they in their ‘authority’ say, ‘I need to do this’... & so often, they continue in the way they do & everyday]. This too can be said then, to be ‘suffering’ yet if each has their ‘own reasons’ (inner path, life purpose, life incarnation choice) to ‘endure’ each day & what it contains in that environment – it is (is it not) not so different from ours?
 
Thank you for that, Joe.
 Regarding a number of anti-research Campaigner observations – is the word ‘torture’ applicable to what experiences you & other animals go through in research labs?
 
No. In that ‘torture’ is in the mind – if one allows it to surface. To achieve ‘balance’; to achieve ones highest state of consciousness, one can remove such a [description] as ‘torture’. It is what the mind perceives. We can detach to a certain degree - &, like leaving a body before ’impact’ – a lot of what is termed ‘torture’ is acting out an exclamation of the experience.
 
Can you explain this further, Joe – do you not experience pain & discomfort then in research experiments?
 
Yes, Jane – but it is like [numbing first prior to it happening]
 
Do you mean a medical anaesthetic is applied, Joe?
 
No, not always, as it would dull reactions – but it is like the mind ‘switches off’ after a while [& the concept of how immersion of ones hand into extremely cold water is initially felt, but within moments it may register as ‘numbed’ ].
 
Thank you, Joe, but it still sounds like a lot of physical pain you & other animals have to go through. How do you cope?
 
It is nothing worse than [what ‘happens in the wild’. Then too, the concept is shown of a time prior to medical anaesthetics & of how individuals would go through procedures anyway – being that there was supposedly no alternative].
 
But in this day & age, this supposed human ‘pain-free’ era, it seems unfair for animals to still be subjected to any pain in society, Joe?
 
Yes, Jane. As I said before though – we have to be the [by analogy, ‘candle-light’ until ‘electricity’ arrives] – for research needs to go on. And yes we are sacrificial in terms of others’ (levels of) comfort – but if a [‘job satisfaction’] life purpose is being carried out, we can do it. It is all for the worth in the long run.
 
Okay, thank you, Joe.
Do you experience loneliness in your research life?
 
No. Not as such – no more than [by analogy, a man at his desk experiencing desire to have time off].
 
But one could say you never get ‘time off’?
 
We do, Jane. We are cared for in that it is known (that) to achieve best ‘research results’ – to keep us in the best physical shape mentally & physically – it is important to ‘use’ us respectfully. And so, we do get time to re-charge. We, on the whole are ‘smaller’ than humans – we can take ‘smaller’ areas to [re-charge] in. And especially mice – it may look confining, but space & ‘time-off’ is all relative [& he ‘smiles’ matter-of-factly].
 
Thank you, Joe.
What do you think & feel towards the humans that ‘operate’ research experiments on you & your fellow animals in research labs?
 
They too, are doing their ‘path’ (‘purpose) to evolve humanity. If anything, a nature in kindness whilst all else goes on is of the highest lesson they may have to learn.
They, as each incarnation, themselves, are working their own ‘paths’ & sharing their ‘results’ for better shared knowledge, one must remember.
 
Thank you, Joe.
Joe, what can you say to people who are campaigning to stop all animal research happening?
 
Well, it is as well to do – to raise awareness for better ways. Yes, it is good. It is good that each encourages another/others to do whatever they are doing in better more efficient ways! [He conveys with exclamation, as if in emphasis & enthusiasm of his reasoning!].
 
Thank you, Joe. Do you have any consoling, or otherwise, message to human campaigners who (mentally) agonise over what they observe you & fellow animals are ‘enduring’ in research?
 
To look to their own lives- to see what, if any causes of ‘suffering’, ‘fear’,
‘loneliness’, or ‘torture’ they are putting themselves through. To know, as physical individuals we are all put against such ‘tests’ & it is for our minds to cope with in each individual’s situation. To ‘fix’ ourselves as clearly as one can before feeling indignant of another’s ‘plight’. Yet, too, to assist better efficiency, to aid another’s path for greater understanding of evolvement is of [sacrosanct] importance...
I do thank those that [‘raise the flag’] for better conditions, yet too...whilst one can help, it is [by analogy, like sitting by observing an individual go through with a marriage whilst disagreeing with the match. How do they know what is ‘right’ for another? – only the individuals themselves truly know what, who & why they put themselves where they do in the position(s) they do in their life].
 
Thank you, Joe.
.... – and for all of this communication...